> >How do you get these gigs? I could sure use more.<
>
> We've actually worked with these folks before. This is just a new line
> for them.
Same question, back in time: How'd you get work from them initially?
> It is thicker than what the H&S shampoo in the tube (they don't sell
> that anymore?!) It would not be pourable. I actually do not have to
> completely replicate this product's feel, but I do need to produce a
> thick, scoopable soap-type product that won't dry out the skin.
Considering that whatever you make will act by cutting grease, OK if we
amend it to "won't dry out the skin MUCH"?
BTW, this fall I bought some Olay Moisturizing Bar (soap substitute) that
was cheap at Rite Aid and found it excellent for shaving lather. It's held
together mostly by paraffin (accounting also mostly for its moisturizing
properties) and I can easily work its initial large bubble foam into very
fine lather that's slipperier with the razor than soap lather; must be the
paraffin. Its primary detergent is sodium cocoyl isethionate, supplemented
by cocoglyceryl ether sulfonate, Anyway, I notice lately that the backs of
my hands are getting slightly sore. Seems this stuff leaves a Simoniz over
slightly irritated skin. But I don't know if it'd've been any better with
soap.
> I don't want it to leave a residue
Can we amend that to not leaving MUCH or OBJECTIONABLE residue? If it's
soap, depending on water "hardness" and exactly how it's used, it's bound to
form some scum that sticks. If it contains a fatty moisturizer it pretty
much has to work by depositing on skin.
> but I do want it to be gentle and
> moisturizing. It doesn't need to make mad bubbles.
Superfatted sodium soap jelly (wet enough to require a preservative if the
user dips into it) would be my first suggestion. Mostly a way to get people
to use more soap than they need, because the user's probably going to scoop
(or squeeze out) & apply more soap than they'd be dissolving if they were
using bar soap on a wash cloth or bare hands. To superfat it, you could
take the other poster's suggestion of adding stearic acid. The product may
be much like tube-packed Barbasol.
A gel made by mixing an alkamidopropyl betaine with ethoxylated anionic
surfactant (such as sodium laureth sulfate or the milder sodium laureth
sulfosuccinate) may (depending on how it's evaluated) make a gentler product
than soap. I'd recommend that the betaine be at least partly
palmitamidopropyl (cetamidopropyl) betaine, which has been shown in
combination with laureth sulfate to be better at removing skin flakes and
leaving skin feeling smoother, and which also gels very well. If you want
the product to be opaque, see if McIntyre still (or someone else) supplies a
1-mole sodium lauryl ether sulfosuccinate, which is less soluble than the
usual sodium laureth-3 sulfosuccinate. The betaine surfactant will assist
with preservation, which I repeat you'll need with the customer dipping
fingers into a jar.
Robert
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