This particular client came to us through our website, as have most of
our clients. 80% of our business comes in that way and/or by workd of
mouth. I don't do a whole lot of advertising.
Thanks so much for this information. I'm going to try to get some R&D
time this weekend and see what I can come up with. Oh and as for
preservatives, you betcha! I don't believe in taking chances.
Thanks,
Jill Jones
--- In CosmeticLab@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Goodman" <robgood@...> wrote:
>
> "Jill" <jillj@...> wrote:
> 
> > >How do you get these gigs?  I could sure use more.<
> >
> > We've actually worked with these folks before. This is just a new line
> > for them.
> 
> Same question, back in time: How'd you get work from them initially?
> 
> > It is thicker than what the H&S shampoo in the tube (they don't sell
> > that anymore?!) It would not be pourable. I actually do not have to
> > completely replicate this product's feel, but I do need to produce a
> > thick, scoopable soap-type product that won't dry out the skin.
> 
> Considering that whatever you make will act by cutting grease, OK if we
> amend it to "won't dry out the skin MUCH"?
> 
> BTW, this fall I bought some Olay Moisturizing Bar (soap substitute)
that
> was cheap at Rite Aid and found it excellent for shaving lather. 
It's held
> together mostly by paraffin (accounting also mostly for its moisturizing
> properties) and I can easily work its initial large bubble foam into
very
> fine lather that's slipperier with the razor than soap lather; must
be the
> paraffin.  Its primary detergent is sodium cocoyl isethionate,
supplemented
> by cocoglyceryl ether sulfonate,  Anyway, I notice lately that the
backs of
> my hands are getting slightly sore.  Seems this stuff leaves a
Simoniz over
> slightly irritated skin.  But I don't know if it'd've been any
better with
> soap.
> 
> > I don't want it to leave a residue
> 
> Can we amend that to not leaving MUCH or OBJECTIONABLE residue?  If it's
> soap, depending on water "hardness" and exactly how it's used, it's
bound to
> form some scum that sticks.  If it contains a fatty moisturizer it
pretty
> much has to work by depositing on skin.
> 
> > but I do want it to be gentle and
> > moisturizing. It doesn't need to make mad bubbles.
> 
> Superfatted sodium soap jelly (wet enough to require a preservative
if the
> user dips into it) would be my first suggestion.  Mostly a way to
get people
> to use more soap than they need, because the user's probably going
to scoop
> (or squeeze out) & apply more soap than they'd be dissolving if they
were
> using bar soap on a wash cloth or bare hands.  To superfat it, you could
> take the other poster's suggestion of adding stearic acid.  The
product may
> be much like tube-packed Barbasol.
> 
> A gel made by mixing an alkamidopropyl betaine with ethoxylated anionic
> surfactant (such as sodium laureth sulfate or the milder sodium laureth
> sulfosuccinate) may (depending on how it's evaluated) make a gentler
product
> than soap.  I'd recommend that the betaine be at least partly
> palmitamidopropyl (cetamidopropyl) betaine, which has been shown in
> combination with laureth sulfate to be better at removing skin
flakes and
> leaving skin feeling smoother, and which also gels very well.  If
you want
> the product to be opaque, see if McIntyre still (or someone else)
supplies a
> 1-mole sodium lauryl ether sulfosuccinate, which is less soluble
than the
> usual sodium laureth-3 sulfosuccinate.  The betaine surfactant will
assist
> with preservation, which I repeat you'll need with the customer dipping
> fingers into a jar.
> 
> Robert
>
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